Wednesday, February 5, 2025

The Marvel Universe: Unlike DC No Crisis Required!

 

 


                                  The Marvel Universe: Unlike DC No Crisis Required!

 

Here’s a secret: During the Silver Age, I read twice as many DC comics as Marvel but as much as I did enjoy DC, I enjoyed Marvel more.  There were several reasons, this blog is about one big one!!!:

I was there in the beginning! 1961!

Or I thought I was!

There was a “Golden Age,” a Timely and Atlas era, which, took place in the 1940s and 1950s. But the Marvel Age basically disregarded those stories.

The New York Times wrote: The edges of historical eras tend to be fuzzy. It would be nice to think that someone awoke in Florence, Italy, one day in the late 1300s …and said, “Today the Renaissance begins!” We can be sure no one did, if only because historians discern such eras only in retrospect.

Both Marvel and DC both used, or reused, characters from their “Golden Age.” But Marvel gave their Timely and Atlas characters new “Marvel Age” identities and backgrounds.  This included not just major characters, such as Captain America and Sub-Mariner, but secondary characters such as The Owl, Ringmaster, and Black Widow. They came to the Marvel Age without any luggage. 



   


                                     The Owl from Young Allies and Daredevil

 


The original Flash, Green Lantern, Atom, and  Hawkman began in the 1940s and their comics were cancelled by 1950. The Earth I and Earth II concept was introduced with “The Flash of Two Worlds” (Flash Comics #123) 



But the Multiverse really begins in Showcase #4, when the first “Silver Age” Flash story was introduced.   DC essentially established that DC’s history all took place, but in another universe.   This created an inconsistency in the DC line-up. Events in one title did not often relate to events in another. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman,  were never cancelled and were still in their ‘golden age’ continuity.  

 Through the 1960’s Marvel had just one editor, Stan Lee. In 1972 Roy Thomas became the sole editor. And up until Marvel’s 1970s expansion the pair, working together, wrote most of the comics. They placed most of their characters in one location: New York. So, a single universe was logically formed.

It was different at DC. For their super-hero titles they had FOUR editors:  Mort Wessinger for Superman, Jack Schiff for Batman, Julius Schwartz for Flash, Green Lantern and others, and Robert "Bob" Kanigher for Wonder Woman. Unlike Lee and Thomas the four not only did not collaborate much, they kept their creative staffs separate. Each hero was placed in his own isolated town, which, to a young reader such as me, was like placing them in their own universes. So the Flash, The Green Lantern and Atom of Earth I would have Justice League meetings with Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman of Earth II.

As a young reader, with DC felt that I was coming aboard late and had missed much. Best Example: When Batman #171 (May 1965) re-introduced the Riddler to the Silver Age readers the editor directs you to read his appearance from Detective Comics #142, published in 1948, to get up to date on the character.  This was as if I could just go and pick that issue up at the local stands. There were no reprints then or comic book stores then. 

                                                                                                Note the note on the bottom left

 

If DC did revisit an origin, they usually altered it. Retconning is retroactively changing something to a character’s continuity which changes his history. For example Superman who had his  full origin in Superman #53, 1948. DC never stopped reconning him. There was Superboy!  Then a dog, (1955), a monkey (1959), and a cousin (1959).

Had DC developed their characters, as Marvel did, and left their Golden Age Continuity behind, there would have been no need for a Crisis on Infinite Earths. Or any Earth.

 


Both at Marvel and DC, comic book characters read old comics from the 1940s.  Barry Allen, in his first Flash tale  in 1956, reads about the original Flash. In Strange Tales #114, in 1962, after fighting an imposter, Johnny wonders about the real Captain America, who he read about in comics.  He even knew he was Steve Rogers! Stan asks fans if they would like to see Cap return.  Apparently, everyone got amnesia by Avengers #4. Of course, Bucky and Toro can only read comics from the 1940s.

 


During the Marvel Age, Marvel mostly overlooked their “Golden Age continuity” and presented “Timely” characters as if they were new. A great example of how Marvel was handling their history was in the Fantastic Four appearances of the Sub-Mariner, who I knew nothing about at that time.  In Fantastic Four Annual #1 the Sub-Mariner appears at the UN and gives new history of his race.


   


During the next 15 years of the Marvel Age there were five or so of exceptions.

With not much of a background, the original Human Torch appeared in Fantastic Four Annual #4 (1966). Johnny Storm was not really the re-creation of the Human Torch.  The original Torch was a mature adult android. Johnny Storm was human, a teen aged hothead.  Johnny Sorm was the reincarnation of Toro the Fleming Kid!!!! More on this in a bit.


Stan and Jack reworked original Captain America stories from the 1940s in Tales of Suspense #63-71. Caps origin was first told in Captain America Comics #1, 1941 where Cap is given an injection by Professor Reinstein. In Cap’s first of three Marvel Age origins (Tales of Suspense #63, March 1963) where he is given a serum to swallow by Dr. Erskine. In Captain America #109, January 1969, Professor Reinstein is back. Steve Rogers is given an off-screen injection and then is exposed to zeta rays.

  



                                                       Captain America #1 (1941)


                                                                    Tales of Suspense #63



                                                                      Captain America #109


                                                                        Young Men #24 (1954)

Roy Thomas referred to the Sub-Mariner’s Timely incarnation in issues #8 (1968) and #14 when he unexpectedly brought back Betty Dean and Toro from the Sub-Mariner’s initial run of the 1940s. Roy demonstrated that if you are NOT in a current comics continuity you will age!!!


   

In introducing the new Black Knight, Dane Whitman, Roy Thomas made several references to his 1950s  past in Marvel Super-Heroes #17 and Avengers #70-71.



In reality, Captain America Comics continued until 1950 and he returned in 1954 for a few issues.  Disregarding the past, in the Marvel era, he was frozen in 1944 and defrosted twenty years later in Avengers #4. In 1972, Roy Thomas, now editor, wanted to connect the dots and fill in Cap’s missing years. So Roy brilliantly referenced Caps’ Atlas era in Captain America #153-156 (1972), even reprinting Cap’s return from Young Men #24 (1953). Roy gave the writing assignment to Steve Englehart, who did an excellent job.

Only thing is,” Roy said in What If? #4, 1977, “Steve decided at the last minute to forget about the years 1945-1953 and have his “substitute CA” be a Red-baiter from the McCarthy era. This left a hole which a zillion Marvelites have never ceased (and properly so) to point out to us. (I) preferred to let Steve E. do his thing-but he’d really wanted to take care of those immediate post-Cap and post-War years, as well.” 




Several “Golden Age characters, including the Vision, Red Raven and Marvel Boy (Fantastic Four #164-5) were brought into the Marvel Age in name, and perhaps, costume only.

 

That was it for the first 15 years. In 1975, Roy, was once again thinking of the “Timely” world.

The All-Winners Squad is mentioned in Giant-Size Avengers #1 (August 1974). The story featured the Whizzer and Miss America with a modern day, Marvel Age surprising history. 

In a continuous story line, edited by Roy and written by Roy and Steve Englehart, they begin a storyline that stretches from Giant-Size Avengers 2-4 (November 1974-June 1975 and Avengers #129-135. These issues are so eventful that so you may need a scorecard to keep up.

Relating to Fantastic Four Annual #4, this story tells how the Mad Thinker obtained  the body of the original Human Torch. Then Ultron and the Torch’s creator, Professor Horton acquire it  and they transform the Human Torch to create the Vision, but with Wonder Man’s mind. The idea of the Vision’s body being that of the Torch came from Neal Adams when they were doing Avengers #93.

In 1975, as the Marvel Age was ending, Thomas created The Invaders, which took place in the early 1940s. Roy eliminated the Timely history by writing “…We’re ordinarily not going to consider ourselves bound by anything which occurred in the Timely mags unless we also verify it in the Invaders tales themselves.” But Marvel had been doing that all along!

In The Invaders first issue there are two items, on this subject to note. First, Roy retells the origin of Captain America for the third time this era. Here, Roy explains that “Reinstein” was just a code name for Erskine. Cap drinks his serum, but is not exposed to zeta radiation.



This issue reprints a story from the 1940’s Sub-Mariner #1. As originally published, the Emperor of Atlantis dies. In this reprint Roy adds a NEW Marvel Age footnote: The Emperor went through a process of suspended animation and was able to appear in Roy’s Sub-Mariner #1 (1968).





 In 2010 Roy Thomas wrote: ...you indicate that my saying the Emperor of Sub-Mariner’s Antarctic kingdom had survived his apparent “death” in 1941, was revived in the 1950s and died in 1968, ‘changes the past.’ Not quite right. After all, the Emperor was in the 1954-55 issues of SUB-MARINER, etc., so the discrepancy was already there. All I could do, all I did do, was find a way to explain why the Emperor would seemingly die in a reprint of a 1941 story, then be alive in stories we reprinted from the 1950s.

 What If? Was not a part of the Marvel Age, it was a reflection of it. If there was a marker for the end of the Marvel Age, I would place it here. 

Roy also created What If…?, a comic that told alternate versions of Marvel’s stories.  Well, almost. The fourth issue is a real part of Marvel’s history, not an alternate one.  It should have been printed in an Invaders Annual.

In the fourth issue, “What If The Invaders Had Stayed Together After World War Two?” The Invaders, stay together and are joined by Ms. America, the Whizzer, the Patriot and Union Jack.

Roy: I’d always intended WHAT IF? #4 to be ‘canonical,’ and shouldn’t have edged it with that cutesy “could have” and “maybe”…It was clearly stated at the time…and has been treated as such in Marvel continuity…, that the…events of that issue--and that included of course the flashback--DID occur in…the Marvel Universe, in the main dimension, not in some sidereal world merely noted by The Watcher.”

 In this issue we witness the death of Hitler, incinerated by the Torch. This was also shown in Young Men #24 (1954.) It also answers a question asked by Reed Richards in Fantastic Four #21 (December 1963). Reed questions whether the Hate Monger was the real Hitler or a clone.  With this issue we know the answer.


It was always there, Roy had affection for the comics he grew up with.  When he became editor his outlook became more evident.

Roy Thomas: “I certainly admit that Marvel played fast and loose with a lot of its history for years... I never felt comfortable pushing for too much consistency, since Stan had little interest in the old material and would’ve had little sympathy for my desire to account, for instance, for the 1945-1954 Captain America, as I had Steve Englehart do later (and when Steve didn’t cover the whole thing the way I wanted, I finished it up in WHAT IF #4”.

Invaders #1 one also has a reference to Young Allies #1, but Roy Thomas explains Invaders #8: As far as we’re concerned, Young Allies #1 didn’t strictly occur— but, as Giant- Size Invaders #1 confirmed, Bucky and Toro did have a run-in with the Red Skull some months before the Invaders were formed.

Let’s do the time warp again: Roy does present one more reprint in Invaders #10, when the comic went monthly.  Here he has Cap introduce a story saying that it was “by sheer coincidence a basically accurate account…”


In Invaders Annual #1, Roy gives my favorite footnote of all time.  Here, as seen in Avengers #71the Invaders fight the Avengers.  Roy writes, without yet referring to that issue, “Special Note: If you’ve been a Marvel Madman for less than eight years you might be a bit confused right about now!  


The Invaders and the soon to be Liberty Legion borrowed from the past, but they always remained in the Marvel Age.  No Crisis was ever needed.

 


Looking back, others may reach a different conclusion. But I was there at the beginning and I was there at the end. The “Marvel Age” ends about 1975 when Roy Thomas, who succeeded Stan, left as editor. After Roy left, Marvel initiated the “Editor of the Month Club.”

The continuity and consistency were soon gone. There were still wonderful and engaging stories to be told, just not as much as before and not enough to sustain an age. The story pages in the comics went from 20 pages to 17, leaving less space to tell a tale, yet the price of the comics continued to rise. Annoying was the half page ads that were added that interrupted the flow of the stories.  Also, with cheaper paper, cheap plastic printing plates, cancelled titles, printing quality was not maintained.  The comics became hard to read.

 


Stan had a sense—which he understood better than Ditko, Kirby, or anybody— of a real universe. ‘The Marvel Universe,’ but it was really his construct, far more than anybody else’s. He had the idea that this was a consistent world where all these people lived and he was the ultimate puppet master.                             

                                            Roy Thomas, Alter-Ego #50, July 2005 


 This blog began with me unable to read DC’s history. But if you like to read comics, and not just collect them, we live in fortunate times. You need not search for any of the comics mentioned here. We now have Masterworks, and Omnibuses.


       So now, we can all look back and marvel.

  

Avengers #129-135               Avengers Masterworks #14

Avengers #71                        Avengers Masterworks #8

Captain America 153-156:   Captain America Masterworks #7

Fantastic Four Annual #4:   Fantastic Four Masterworks #6

Giant-Size Avengers 2-4       Avengers Masterworks #14

Invaders #1,8 and #10           Invaders Omnibus

Marvel Super-Heroes #17:   Avengers Omnibus #3

Marvel Boy #1                       Heroes Masterworks #1

Sub-Mariner #8 and 14:        Sub-Mariner Masterworks #3 and 4

Tales of Suspense 63-71:     Captain America Masterworks #1

What If #4 and #5:                What If? Omnibus

Young Allies #1                     Young Allies Masterworks

Young Men #24                     Heroes Masterworks #1

Superman #53                       Superman: Golden Age Omnibus Volume Six    

Detective Comics #142,       Batman Golden Age Omnibus #6

Batman #171                        Batman: The Dynamic Duo Archives  #2       

Flash #123                            Silver Age Flash Omnibus #1

 


 

 

 





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